And I thought American cops were bad shots

Monday, 23 July 2007

We already established what horrific shots American cops are, with a short range, enemy hit rate of 3% + a friendly fire rate of 1%. According to the following, US servicemen have a hit rate of 0.0004%. Too low to measure really. The friendly fire statistics might be similarly low but they are also a bit hard to obtain. Just ask Pat Tilman’s family.

Via Reason.

John Pike, director of the Washington military research group, said that, based on the GAO’s figures, US forces had expended around six billion bullets between 2002 and 2005. “How many evil-doers have we sent to their maker using bullets rather than bombs? I don’t know,” he said.

“If they don’t do body counts, how can I? But using these figures it works out at around 300,000 bullets per insurgent. Let’s round that down to 250,000 so that we are underestimating.”

“US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed”

Yes, I know they say the rounds are expended in training and such and such. Still it seems to work out to 30,000 rounds per weapon or so. I think it’s taken me 10 years to fire 500 rounds in training. Perhaps the Marines are engaged in a lot of wedding, or its soldierly facsimile, celebratory fire.

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Re: And I thought American cops were bad shots

I'm about the furthest thing from a soldier or a cop you might find on teh intertubes, but given a good working weapon and lotsa ammo -- that I didn't have to pay for :-) -- I would engage in a great deal of defensive, harassing and supressing fire. So for every bullet I intended to hit, I'd probably fire anywhere from two hundred to a thousand or so. My theory being, anywhere there's a shitload of bullets whizzing around is going to be a harder place from which to kill me.

By Vagrant on 23 July 2007 · 20:28

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Re^2: And I thought American cops were bad shots

There is no arguing with that. Perhaps why cops are getting lighter on the trigger and no-knock warrants every year. And it even explains civilian and friendly deaths. If they included non-combatant deaths I am sure the bullets:bodies ratio would improve “favorably” across the services.

Ah, war. We should schedule one for my kids’ generation. I’d hate them to be the first Americans to miss out. In the interests of political egalitarianism, maybe finally let someone south of the Equator have it. Can’t we drum up a threat worth 300,000 soldiers in Argentina or Zimbabwe? I seem to recall some country down there has gobs of oil and a leader who is quick on the Anti-American rhetoric + less than photogenic .

By A is A on 23 July 2007 · 21:02


Re^3: And I thought American cops were bad shots

I would hope for all of us to be spared a consumer part in that favorable ratio!

Balko had some good things to say about paramilitary policing.

By Vagrant on 24 July 2007 · 10:12

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Re^4: And I thought American cops were bad shots

In fact, he’s the reason I’ve become more aware of it. I knew it happened—and I’ve had enough pointless personal problems with cops to know it can come out of nowhere for no reason but a haircut—but somewhere along the line I was buying into the “isolated incident” nomenclature. Optimism is only a good tool for dealing with strangers when they are equals, I’m afraid.

By A is A on 24 July 2007 · 10:27